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Keekles · Jan 12, 2008, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Meta4ik

I believe you actually would fight for it like we are now. All The people you see on still debating for over 60 pages are only debating this because of the fact that we didnt know that this outpost was hacked. We also do not understand why other exploits ie. zaishen chest were punished or the dupers getting their accounts back. By all means making 1000 armbraces in 15 mins is way worse than making a gem set in 20. After all who's really to say that a hacker didnt have a prog that allowed him to open any chest with out a key didnt just hit the chest up and it stayed that way for a prolonged period of time. No one really knows they dont release source codes for the game no one can tell if it was a prog error or a hack.

Unfortunately, you don't know me. I would not have fought back if I knew I was exploiting a portion of the game and in direct violation of the EULA. Unlike some people who play these games, I actually do read the EULAs.

And if I really wanted to complain about something, I would take it up with Customer support since they are the only ones that can do anything about it. Whining on unofficial forums would do me no good, and thus would be a complete waste of time.

explodemyheart · Jan 12, 2008, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Are you honestly suggesting that Arenanet release the Guild Wars source code to prove a questionably literate kid on the forums wrong?

Marry me?

Stormlord Alex · Jan 12, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by lacasner

And yes, perma-ban is too much, i do think that clearence of banks is sufficient punishment or maybe 1-2 month ban. But these people paid money for the CD and game and the punishment just doesn't fit the crime.

Actually, reading some of the crying and whining here...
A perma-ban was just about right.

Make them cry and whine. It's funny.

erikjo · Jan 12, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

the way I see it....

I love it!!! <3 you

dkn doko · Jan 12, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Azarr#1

Im sure this little exploit made all the lag during christmas in kamadan those 117 should all die they made me angry now the entire economy will be better Now maybe I can buy an armbrace for cheaper now hopefully since less people are farming them at least or maybe I can get a eternal blade for cheaper since less people are farming them. I bet none of them farmed any of that stuff even though they were on for 4000 hours and stuff.

You dont understand the concept of supply and demand do you. Less people farming them the price is going to go up not down gg.

Meta4ik · Jan 12, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Are you honestly suggesting that Arenanet release the Guild Wars source code to prove a questionably literate kid on the forums wrong?

They wont, exactly. Maybe you should question your own literacy instead of questioning mine. Read the post then respond. GG

Master Knightfall · Jan 12, 2008, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

Again, since people fail to grasp this concept: Anet doesn't "feel" they have the right to ban him, they do have the right.

Unless anybody else can prove to the programmers that it was, in fact, not a hack... it wasn't a glitch. Some person originally hacked the client, allowing them to access this place. Then that person took other people there, it just snowballed from then on.

That doesn't make the people who went there... and kept going there over over and over and kept killing Mallyx any less guilty. They used an exploit to their advantage. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for innocence. And I'm sorry, but anybody with half a brain had to have figured out that something was up at some point. I don't care if you've only been playing this game long enough to have finished Nightfall on one character and done the quests, you would have known something was up. The fact that there's an outpost that you've never heard anything about, and isn't on your map? The fact that the town contains no NPCs? The fact that you're not completing the quest in the manner that you're supposed to? Many of the people involved in this exploit have made themselves out to be pros so I really have a hard time believing that they really had no clue what was up and are innocent little babes.

Sorry but your friend of supposed 7000+ hours would have known. If your friend is telling you that he was only taken there once and got banned as a result, either he's lying to you or Anet made a mistake and banned him for a single accidental zone into the outpost, at which point maybe you should tell him to contact support like Gaile suggested, so they can look at his case and see if he really was accidently taken there once or is, in fact, just as guilty as the rest.

In conclusion, a lot of you people need to grow up. When you signed the EULA, you agreed to it. That means that you are either in compliance with their rules or you're gone. Splitting hairs over what is or isn't an exploit, or whining about how others weren't punished for other "exploits" is really a moot at this point. They did something wrong, now they're dealing with the consequences. That's what happens in the grown up world.

Excellent post and exactly what I think as well. Ban em all for good. No such thing as innocent until proven guilty online. You ARE guilty until proven innocent in this world.

Jake_Steel · Jan 12, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by Azarr#1

Im sure this little exploit made all the lag during christmas in kamadan those 117 should all die they made me angry now the entire economy will be better Now maybe I can buy an armbrace for cheaper now hopefully since less people are farming them at least or maybe I can get a eternal blade for cheaper since less people are farming them. I bet none of them farmed any of that stuff even though they were on for 4000 hours and stuff.

Your post and my post have the same relation that History has to truth and that theology has to religion — i.e., none to speak of..

capblye · Jan 12, 2008, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

WRONG, the EULA says, in effect: "Break the EULA and you will be banned."

It's like parking in a no parking zone and your defense to the Judge is "Well judge I don't see a problem with it. This ticket is over the top, No parking sign or not..."

I mean come on, When you're shown something that says if you do A you get B, then you do A you can't truly be naive enough to expect to get C or D.

If you want to use a Real World analogy, then please make it accurate.
This would be more like the Judge taking away my car for a parking in a no parking zone.
Thats is not what would happen. I would get a fine and pay it.
These people are having their cars taken away completely.
Big difference.

Azarr#1 · Jan 12, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by dkn doko

You dont understand the concept of supply and demand do you. Less people farming them the price is going to go up not down gg.

I know that Im not stupid what I was saying is why make the prices go up why not let other people who cant afford to take their time everyday to farm something they made it possible for some people who could not buy them be able to buy them.

Meta4ik · Jan 12, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Keekles

Unfortunately, you don't know me. I would not have fought back if I knew I was exploiting a portion of the game and in direct violation of the EULA. Unlike some people who play these games, I actually do read the EULAs.

And if I really wanted to complain about something, I would take it up with Customer support since they are the only ones that can do anything about it. Whining on unofficial forums would do me no good, and thus would be a complete waste of time.

Actually i do read the EULA maybe you should to try reading the part where it also include anything that creates an unnatural benefit to a user is an exploit as well. Then tell me if you didnt buy max armor after a droks run and even if you didnt how many people did. You can give me you broken record about a hack but even gaile said they dont know exactly how the first person got there. If they knew for sure they wouldnt be testing anything. From previous posts here people have been doing it for months already. It could have been done with any of the glitches that were patched in the months before. Even they dont know. Thats the point so how should we?

erikjo · Jan 12, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by capblye

Whining? LMAO ... im stating fact. You apparently are "Holier" than me, so you cant read my lowly writing.
I said people like YOU didnt know all the facts, but yet were so quick to judge. I dont know all the facts, and i dont WANT to know really ... but i certainly DO NOT pass judgement on anyone. No one is better than me (Except of course you, and others like you) so i could not deem myself worthy to spew out nonsense like "GOOD! They Deserve to be banned!"
Who are we to judge anyone, ever?

And EVEN IF what Anet says is 100% fact and true, a Perma Ban is still over the top whether there a EULA or not.
People PAID money for the product.
If Anet insists on a Perma Ban, fine, give em their money back.
No way EVER could i agree that some nonsense in game exploit/whatever justifies them taking away the persons PAID for product.

Try and remember that this is a GAME. What these people are losing is hard earned real money, for some stupid in game infraction.
So they found an exploit ... OH NO! ALL OF GW IS GOING TO CRUMBLE!
They cheated ... OH NO! THEY ARE SADISTIC PEDOPHILES THAT SHOULD BE CASTRATED!
They took advantage of something in a GAME ... OH NO! THEY HAVE OFFENDED MY MORALITY! SOMEONE CALL THE MORAL POLICE!

Soooo superior than all of us ... i just dont see how you all function in a world filled with us lowly substandard peasants.

Oh and as an aside ...no, i wont leave GW just yet. I just wont ever spend time in PUG's on the off chance i get saddled with folks like you.
But i will stick around if for no other reason than to question your "Moral Police" squad.
And i will patiently wait for the day when its YOU defending your actions to this flame happy lynch mob. It will come sooner or later.
The higher you climb, the farther you fall.

You obviously are not able to read and understand, you would rather stereotype. All I have to say to you is LMFAO

MsMassacre · Jan 12, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by capblye

If you want to use a Real World analogy, then please make it accurate.
This would be more like the Judge taking away my car for a parking in a no parking zone.
Thats is not what would happen. I would get a fine and pay it.
These people are having their cars taken away completely.
Big difference.

Except that they parked under a notice which said "park here and you will have your car taken away completely. Please sign to indicate your agreement to these terms" and then they freakin' signed the thing, parked under it, and hoped they wouldn't get caught because thousands of people had not gotten caught for parking under similar signs in another neighborhood the prior month.

Master Knightfall · Jan 12, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by capblye
Sooooooooooooo many self righteous people in GW!
It truly saddens me to see so many holier than thou's in this community, as if they are better than the next person.
Justice can serve no man fairly without Humility.
Whether you think you would have used the exploit or not, do you really feel the need to procalim yourself judge and jury without knowing all the facts?
Can you ever know all the facts? I think not.
"But Gaile says blah blah blah"
Ya, ok, and so it's gospel?

This is why PUG's are dying ... because there are too many damn self righteous people in this community who care nothing for anyone or anything but themselves and what people think of them.
Sad ...

As i said in another post, i dont know any of the Banned people, and im not one of em ... but i still think the Perma Ban is unfair.
You want to Ban em for a month to make a point? fine.
You want to retract their items to make a point? fine.
But to take away something from them they paid real money for? Nonsense.
Playing Guild Wars is not a PRIVELGE to the players. They paid for it in cash.
Playing Guild Wars is a GIFT to Anet. They paid someones salary.
Let's not forget that.

Lol this guy cracks me up talking about the self righteous and look what HE is doing? hahahahahah So yah think YOU are the LAW do yah? hahaha welp ANET is showing YOU and any of your friends who the LAW really is. hahaha

Jake_Steel · Jan 12, 2008, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by capblye

If you want to use a Real World analogy, then please make it accurate.
This would be more like the Judge taking away my car for a parking in a no parking zone.
Thats is not what would happen. I would get a fine and pay it.
These people are having their cars taken away completely.
Big difference.

Try again sport, after you parked there MULTIPLE times (as the F117 did), or just left your car there for an obscenely long amount of time (6 months?!) then they would boot and impound your vehicle....

Dr Strangelove · Jan 12, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

Marry me?

I would, but I was banned from marriage because I used an exploit to get into my ex-wife's hidden outpost. Fight the system!

truzo 117 · Jan 12, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

Try again sport, after you parked there MULTIPLE times (as the F117 did), or just left your car there for an obscenely long amount of time (6 months?!) then they would boot and impound your vehicle....

you are right there, but they will still notify you and you would be able to get it back- just like you should with the accounts

capblye · Jan 12, 2008, 02:54 AM // 02:54

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Lol this guy cracks me up talking about the self righteous and look what HE is doing? hahahahahah So yah think YOU are the LAW do yah? hahaha welp ANET is showing YOU and any of your friends who the LAW really is. hahaha

Son,
Someday you'll be a big boy and have to get a job of your own ... mommy cant support you forever.
When that day comes, youll appreciate what im saying a lot more.
Until then, please just sit back and let the grown folks talk ok?
Thanks ever so much.

Cuthroat Dibbler · Jan 12, 2008, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by erikjo

It is insulting to compare losers that exploit a game to people that died in a tragedy. Please stop it.

I agree. The offending post should be removed pls.

Meta4ik · Jan 12, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by capblye

Son,
Someday you'll be a big boy and have to get a job of your own ... mommy cant support you forever.
When that day comes, youll appreciate what im saying a lot more.
Until then, please just sit back and let the grown folks talk ok?
Thanks ever so much.

Rofl very nice